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		<title>By: rindawriter</title>
		<link>http://www.hbook.com/2007/05/blogs/read-roger/nudge-nudge-wink-wink/#comment-3677</link>
		<dc:creator>rindawriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 23:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Right on, Andy about the &quot;the new standard version&quot; comment.  Right on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>Right on, Andy about the &#8220;the new standard version&#8221; comment.  Right on!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Laties</title>
		<link>http://www.hbook.com/2007/05/blogs/read-roger/nudge-nudge-wink-wink/#comment-3663</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Laties</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 17:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;It seems to me that there are still plenty of newly illustrated versions of the classic fairy tales coming from the major publishers.  (Andrea Wisniewski&#039;s &quot;Little Red Riding Hood&quot; last season; Jerry Pinkney&#039;s this season)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The traditional tales, &quot;retold&quot; by an illustrator, function as a mechanism for illustrators to capture the full ten percent royalty, and not have to split it with an separate individual author.  Alphabet books and counting books and nursery rhyme books function in this manner for illustrators also.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That is: The economics are in favor of traditional tales whenever an illustrator has enough clout with a publisher to be given the opportunity to control the entire &quot;marquee&quot; aspect of the marketing of a book.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Contrariwise, the new, fractured fairy-tales are ways for authors (established, but also, new) to capitalize on the guaranteed marketing power of established &quot;titles,&quot; and collect a royalty for their &quot;original&quot; work.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is business.  There are shades of nuance that every editor and agent deals with in the development of every author or illustrator&#039;s career.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There is no bigger financial win than occurs when an author or illustrator creates &quot;the new standard&quot; version of a &quot;classic&quot; text.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>It seems to me that there are still plenty of newly illustrated versions of the classic fairy tales coming from the major publishers.  (Andrea Wisniewski&#8217;s &#8220;Little Red Riding Hood&#8221; last season; Jerry Pinkney&#8217;s this season)</p>
<p>The traditional tales, &#8220;retold&#8221; by an illustrator, function as a mechanism for illustrators to capture the full ten percent royalty, and not have to split it with an separate individual author.  Alphabet books and counting books and nursery rhyme books function in this manner for illustrators also.</p>
<p>That is: The economics are in favor of traditional tales whenever an illustrator has enough clout with a publisher to be given the opportunity to control the entire &#8220;marquee&#8221; aspect of the marketing of a book.  </p>
<p>Contrariwise, the new, fractured fairy-tales are ways for authors (established, but also, new) to capitalize on the guaranteed marketing power of established &#8220;titles,&#8221; and collect a royalty for their &#8220;original&#8221; work.  </p>
<p>This is business.  There are shades of nuance that every editor and agent deals with in the development of every author or illustrator&#8217;s career.  </p>
<p>There is no bigger financial win than occurs when an author or illustrator creates &#8220;the new standard&#8221; version of a &#8220;classic&#8221; text.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 03:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;While watching The Seventh Seal as an adult, I was surprised to realize a short movie I had once seen on TV as a kid had in actuality been a spoof on Bergman films.  It was called De Duva, and I had enjoyed it at the time having no idea that it was a parody of anything.  I watched it with my siblings, and while the sex jokes went over our heads we did go through a long phase of pretending to be Death challenging each other to badminton games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>While watching The Seventh Seal as an adult, I was surprised to realize a short movie I had once seen on TV as a kid had in actuality been a spoof on Bergman films.  It was called De Duva, and I had enjoyed it at the time having no idea that it was a parody of anything.  I watched it with my siblings, and while the sex jokes went over our heads we did go through a long phase of pretending to be Death challenging each other to badminton games.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 21:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;I hope it wasn&#039;t the cigar comment. Kids today, if so!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>I hope it wasn&#8217;t the cigar comment. Kids today, if so!</p>
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		<title>By: Monica Edinger</title>
		<link>http://www.hbook.com/2007/05/blogs/read-roger/nudge-nudge-wink-wink/#comment-3656</link>
		<dc:creator>Monica Edinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 16:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;My current 4th graders take to parody like ducks to water.  Right now they are completely smitten with the Marx Brothers.  I&#039;m surprised what they get and amused by what they don&#039;t. Today for instanced I watched as Groucho made one of his many (pre Hayes) lewd&lt;br/&gt; comments and sure enough one kid looked puzzled, but the rest just went for the ride.  My guess is something similar happens with Shrek and its ilk. (Or better yet, they use Disney as their point of reference:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>My current 4th graders take to parody like ducks to water.  Right now they are completely smitten with the Marx Brothers.  I&#8217;m surprised what they get and amused by what they don&#8217;t. Today for instanced I watched as Groucho made one of his many (pre Hayes) lewd<br /> comments and sure enough one kid looked puzzled, but the rest just went for the ride.  My guess is something similar happens with Shrek and its ilk. (Or better yet, they use Disney as their point of reference:)</p>
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		<title>By: shahairyzad</title>
		<link>http://www.hbook.com/2007/05/blogs/read-roger/nudge-nudge-wink-wink/#comment-3654</link>
		<dc:creator>shahairyzad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 15:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;The &quot;recursive meta-fiction&quot; versions of our beloved fairy tales may be written for children, but they are coming from the minds of adults who grew up with the unscrambled versions. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Does that mean the stories no longer work for us? Has it become impossible to take them seriously anymore (either because they are too clicheed, too naive, or the details too far removed from modern life)?  Or are the changes more a reflection of the constant push to make things new, improved, different?  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Personally, I don&#039;t mind the transformations.  It&#039;s a testament to the power of the original stories that they&#039;re still being worked and re-worked, and that children still find them fascinating, even in altered form.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>The &#8220;recursive meta-fiction&#8221; versions of our beloved fairy tales may be written for children, but they are coming from the minds of adults who grew up with the unscrambled versions. </p>
<p>Does that mean the stories no longer work for us? Has it become impossible to take them seriously anymore (either because they are too clicheed, too naive, or the details too far removed from modern life)?  Or are the changes more a reflection of the constant push to make things new, improved, different?  </p>
<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t mind the transformations.  It&#8217;s a testament to the power of the original stories that they&#8217;re still being worked and re-worked, and that children still find them fascinating, even in altered form.</p>
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