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		<title>By: Roger Sutton</title>
		<link>http://www.hbook.com/2010/09/blogs/read-roger/did-she-just-say-what-i-think-she-did/#comment-10308</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Sutton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Elizabeth Levy DID write a youngish YA with a gay subplot, &lt;i&gt;Come Out Smiling&lt;/i&gt;. I had to laugh when the catalog copy said &quot;from the author of the popular &lt;i&gt;Something Queer . . . &lt;/i&gt; series.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think any review, blog- or otherwise, should mention the &quot;jackass&quot; that closes &lt;i&gt;It&#039;s a Book&lt;/i&gt; (although I don&#039;t think you can hold a book trailer to the same standard). But also, MR, that blog reviews &quot;can and will go&quot; where professional reviews don&#039;t is not necessarily a good thing. I could start a blog (or a magazine, for that matter) that gave page numbers for every &lt;i&gt;hell&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;damn&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;shit&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;i&gt;fuck&lt;/i&gt; I found in a children&#039;s book and I guarantee you lots of people would find that useful. Doesn&#039;t make it the right thing to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>Elizabeth Levy DID write a youngish YA with a gay subplot, <i>Come Out Smiling</i>. I had to laugh when the catalog copy said &quot;from the author of the popular <i>Something Queer . . . </i> series.&quot;</p>
<p>I think any review, blog- or otherwise, should mention the &quot;jackass&quot; that closes <i>It&#39;s a Book</i> (although I don&#39;t think you can hold a book trailer to the same standard). But also, MR, that blog reviews &quot;can and will go&quot; where professional reviews don&#39;t is not necessarily a good thing. I could start a blog (or a magazine, for that matter) that gave page numbers for every <i>hell</i>, <i>damn</i>, <i>shit</i> or <i>fuck</i> I found in a children&#39;s book and I guarantee you lots of people would find that useful. Doesn&#39;t make it the right thing to do.</p>
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		<title>By: MotherReader</title>
		<link>http://www.hbook.com/2010/09/blogs/read-roger/did-she-just-say-what-i-think-she-did/#comment-10306</link>
		<dc:creator>MotherReader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;This type of issue is exactly where I see the strength in blog reviews, because we can and will go where reviews in professional journals may not. Whether that&#039;s to help librarian and booksellers in buying the book for their collection, or just in educating them as to the book&#039;s content for reader&#039;s advisory.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;ve been talking about &quot;It&#039;s a Book&quot; on MotherReader.com for that reason. I saw the book in F&amp;G, and then was annoyed that the book trailer - by leaving out the end - presented a book that everyone was calling &quot;adorable.&quot; Throw in the ending of &quot;It&#039;s a book, jackass.&quot; and we&#039;re talking about a different kind of book or target age group altogether. Yes, I understand that a book trailer is not the whole book, but this felt more like a bait n&#039; switch. I think that&#039;s the sort of information people should have when choosing a book for a collection or personal use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>This type of issue is exactly where I see the strength in blog reviews, because we can and will go where reviews in professional journals may not. Whether that&#39;s to help librarian and booksellers in buying the book for their collection, or just in educating them as to the book&#39;s content for reader&#39;s advisory.</p>
<p>I&#39;ve been talking about &quot;It&#39;s a Book&quot; on MotherReader.com for that reason. I saw the book in F&amp;G, and then was annoyed that the book trailer &#8211; by leaving out the end &#8211; presented a book that everyone was calling &quot;adorable.&quot; Throw in the ending of &quot;It&#39;s a book, jackass.&quot; and we&#39;re talking about a different kind of book or target age group altogether. Yes, I understand that a book trailer is not the whole book, but this felt more like a bait n&#39; switch. I think that&#39;s the sort of information people should have when choosing a book for a collection or personal use.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyle Blake Smythers</title>
		<link>http://www.hbook.com/2010/09/blogs/read-roger/did-she-just-say-what-i-think-she-did/#comment-10305</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyle Blake Smythers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Moira, thank you for brightening my day.  When I posted I was thinking of the challenges provided by multiple meanings of words, and the power of language, but the idea of Nancy Drew slash made me scream at my keyboard.  (Scream with laughter, I hasten to add).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Those unfamiliar with this genre may be enlightened by going to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slash_fiction&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Lyle Blake Smythers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>Moira, thank you for brightening my day.  When I posted I was thinking of the challenges provided by multiple meanings of words, and the power of language, but the idea of Nancy Drew slash made me scream at my keyboard.  (Scream with laughter, I hasten to add).</p>
<p>Those unfamiliar with this genre may be enlightened by going to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slash_fiction" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slash_fiction</a></p>
<p>Lyle Blake Smythers</p>
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		<title>By: Moira</title>
		<link>http://www.hbook.com/2010/09/blogs/read-roger/did-she-just-say-what-i-think-she-did/#comment-10303</link>
		<dc:creator>Moira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 21:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Lyle, I love the &quot;Something Queer&quot; series, especially the illustrations!  I &lt;i&gt;thought&lt;/i&gt; I&#039;d seen one of them with an edited title within the last few years (can&#039;t recall what replaced &quot;queer&quot;), but an internet search doesn&#039;t come up with anything.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;d love to see the two girls from the series as a cute teen lesbian couple solving mysteries in high school.  But I don&#039;t imagine Elizabeth Levy is goin&#039; there.  Somebody else needs to write such a series (beyond Nancy Drew slash).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>Lyle, I love the &quot;Something Queer&quot; series, especially the illustrations!  I <i>thought</i> I&#39;d seen one of them with an edited title within the last few years (can&#39;t recall what replaced &quot;queer&quot;), but an internet search doesn&#39;t come up with anything.</p>
<p>I&#39;d love to see the two girls from the series as a cute teen lesbian couple solving mysteries in high school.  But I don&#39;t imagine Elizabeth Levy is goin&#39; there.  Somebody else needs to write such a series (beyond Nancy Drew slash).</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Flinn</title>
		<link>http://www.hbook.com/2010/09/blogs/read-roger/did-she-just-say-what-i-think-she-did/#comment-10301</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Flinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 16:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;This is such a tough call.  Often, I&#039;ve noticed that reviews in journals which cater to a mostly school clientele will spoil the plot of the book to let people know how a difficult topic was handled (for example, the SLJ review of my book Breaking Point, which dealt with a school bombing, said something to the effect that &quot;no one gets hurt&quot;).  This can be a good thing because it let potential buyers of the book know that the author dealt with an issue responsibly, or not.  Similarly, I would think school librarians need to know that Speak is a book about rape.  In either case, the intended buyer might actually be *more* likely to buy the book because of the spoiler, if it fit that library&#039;s needs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But there&#039;s that other sort of stuff, like a certain famous scene in Looking for Alaska.  Should that be mentioned?  I would imagine educators, particularly those in religious schools, really do need to know about such issues.  But it is so hard to do this because it&#039;s not the same reviewer reading every book.  So a liberal reading Looking for Alaska might not comment on the sex, while I&#039;ve seen reviews from conservative reviewers that make fairly mild books sound like smut.  That&#039;s really not fair, and it seems to happen most often with first-time authors (for whom reviews are that much more important since they have no readership), where the reviewer didn&#039;t know what to expect.  Reviewers know that Chris Crutcher&#039;s books contain the F-word, so they don&#039;t mention it, but they might mention milder language in a new author&#039;s book.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And everyone&#039;s standards are different.  I might not have a problem with my kids reading a book with the word, jackass, in it while others think that &quot;stupid&quot; is a bad word,  So unless there is some kind of uniform standard, such as that the particular journal *always* mentions the presence of certain swear words or thorny issues, it&#039;s hard to do.  But then, you&#039;re getting into a whole &quot;counting up the swear words&quot; mentality, which considers the parts of the book over the whole.  And, as you said, the review is only so long.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My gut reaction is that, if the language or issues are surprising in light of the age range of the book (Rachel Robinson being a reasonable example), they probably should be mentioned.  If, otoh, the reviewer is already saying that a book is for high school, I wouldn&#039;t think a few swears or the presence of a controversial topic should be much of a shock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>This is such a tough call.  Often, I&#39;ve noticed that reviews in journals which cater to a mostly school clientele will spoil the plot of the book to let people know how a difficult topic was handled (for example, the SLJ review of my book Breaking Point, which dealt with a school bombing, said something to the effect that &quot;no one gets hurt&quot;).  This can be a good thing because it let potential buyers of the book know that the author dealt with an issue responsibly, or not.  Similarly, I would think school librarians need to know that Speak is a book about rape.  In either case, the intended buyer might actually be *more* likely to buy the book because of the spoiler, if it fit that library&#39;s needs.</p>
<p>But there&#39;s that other sort of stuff, like a certain famous scene in Looking for Alaska.  Should that be mentioned?  I would imagine educators, particularly those in religious schools, really do need to know about such issues.  But it is so hard to do this because it&#39;s not the same reviewer reading every book.  So a liberal reading Looking for Alaska might not comment on the sex, while I&#39;ve seen reviews from conservative reviewers that make fairly mild books sound like smut.  That&#39;s really not fair, and it seems to happen most often with first-time authors (for whom reviews are that much more important since they have no readership), where the reviewer didn&#39;t know what to expect.  Reviewers know that Chris Crutcher&#39;s books contain the F-word, so they don&#39;t mention it, but they might mention milder language in a new author&#39;s book.</p>
<p>And everyone&#39;s standards are different.  I might not have a problem with my kids reading a book with the word, jackass, in it while others think that &quot;stupid&quot; is a bad word,  So unless there is some kind of uniform standard, such as that the particular journal *always* mentions the presence of certain swear words or thorny issues, it&#39;s hard to do.  But then, you&#39;re getting into a whole &quot;counting up the swear words&quot; mentality, which considers the parts of the book over the whole.  And, as you said, the review is only so long.</p>
<p>My gut reaction is that, if the language or issues are surprising in light of the age range of the book (Rachel Robinson being a reasonable example), they probably should be mentioned.  If, otoh, the reviewer is already saying that a book is for high school, I wouldn&#39;t think a few swears or the presence of a controversial topic should be much of a shock.</p>
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		<title>By: Shoshana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shoshana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;To be fair, all the brouhaha I&#039;ve personally seen over It&#039;s a Book has been among gatekeepers deciding where to shelve it and how to sell it. (We have it quietly shelved among the picture books and more prominently displayed among the gift books.) But I suspect that a few parents and grandparents might have knee-jerk reactions to the &quot;profanity.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>To be fair, all the brouhaha I&#39;ve personally seen over It&#39;s a Book has been among gatekeepers deciding where to shelve it and how to sell it. (We have it quietly shelved among the picture books and more prominently displayed among the gift books.) But I suspect that a few parents and grandparents might have knee-jerk reactions to the &quot;profanity.&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: Lyle Blake Smythers</title>
		<link>http://www.hbook.com/2010/09/blogs/read-roger/did-she-just-say-what-i-think-she-did/#comment-10298</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyle Blake Smythers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;My goodness.  Are people unaware that sometimes &quot;ass&quot; means &quot;butt&quot; and sometimes it means &quot;donkey&quot;?  Or maybe they don&#039;t care.  Perhaps they are alarmed that some people will confuse the two meanings, or perhaps be moved to think about words.  Have they asked that their library remove its copy of Elizabeth Levy and Mordecai Gerstein&#039;s Something Queer at the Library, which has nothing to do with sexuality?  Lord, give me strength.&lt;br /&gt;Lyle Blake Smythers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>My goodness.  Are people unaware that sometimes &quot;ass&quot; means &quot;butt&quot; and sometimes it means &quot;donkey&quot;?  Or maybe they don&#39;t care.  Perhaps they are alarmed that some people will confuse the two meanings, or perhaps be moved to think about words.  Have they asked that their library remove its copy of Elizabeth Levy and Mordecai Gerstein&#39;s Something Queer at the Library, which has nothing to do with sexuality?  Lord, give me strength.<br />Lyle Blake Smythers</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Sutton</title>
		<link>http://www.hbook.com/2010/09/blogs/read-roger/did-she-just-say-what-i-think-she-did/#comment-10297</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Sutton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Shoshana, your &lt;i&gt;It&#039;s a Book&lt;/i&gt; example is interesting--several librarians have told me that they won&#039;t buy the book because of the punchline. Is the problem name-calling (Marshall&#039;s &lt;i&gt;The Stupids&lt;/i&gt; ran into this) or is it the mildly vulgar &lt;i&gt;jackass&lt;/i&gt;?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But parents who can&#039;t read through a picture book at a bookstore deserve what they get. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>Shoshana, your <i>It&#39;s a Book</i> example is interesting&#8211;several librarians have told me that they won&#39;t buy the book because of the punchline. Is the problem name-calling (Marshall&#39;s <i>The Stupids</i> ran into this) or is it the mildly vulgar <i>jackass</i>?</p>
<p>But parents who can&#39;t read through a picture book at a bookstore deserve what they get. <img src='http://www.hbook.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jacqueline Seewald</title>
		<link>http://www.hbook.com/2010/09/blogs/read-roger/did-she-just-say-what-i-think-she-did/#comment-10296</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacqueline Seewald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 00:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;As a former educational media specialist, I do believe we need to have some standards in selecting and recommending books to children and teens. However, I am not in favor of censureship per se. So saying, my new YA novel, STACY&#039;S SONG, does not have profanity or sex scenes. So I suppose I do impose a form of censureship as an author.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>As a former educational media specialist, I do believe we need to have some standards in selecting and recommending books to children and teens. However, I am not in favor of censureship per se. So saying, my new YA novel, STACY&#39;S SONG, does not have profanity or sex scenes. So I suppose I do impose a form of censureship as an author.</p>
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		<title>By: Shoshana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shoshana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 23:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;The same do-I-point-it-out problem arises in bookselling. Do we point out the word &quot;jackass&quot; on the last page of It&#039;s a Book and suggest that readers can substitute &quot;donkey&quot; if it matters to them? If we don&#039;t mention the issue, will loyal customers become angry receipt-wielders when they reach the last page?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>The same do-I-point-it-out problem arises in bookselling. Do we point out the word &quot;jackass&quot; on the last page of It&#39;s a Book and suggest that readers can substitute &quot;donkey&quot; if it matters to them? If we don&#39;t mention the issue, will loyal customers become angry receipt-wielders when they reach the last page?</p>
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