Comments on: Get your mind out of the gutter http://www.hbook.com/2012/03/blogs/out-of-the-box/get-your-mind-out-of-the-gutter/ Publications about books for children and young adults Tue, 14 May 2013 17:58:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Paul Zelinsky http://www.hbook.com/2012/03/blogs/out-of-the-box/get-your-mind-out-of-the-gutter/#comment-16287 Paul Zelinsky Tue, 29 May 2012 20:20:57 +0000 http://www.hbook.com/?p=11065#comment-16287 Coming into this late in the game, but I've also always liked the term "foul matter," referring to anything (like a manuscript revision, or a proof) that has been superseded by a newer version and shouldn't be in use anymore. Coming into this late in the game, but I’ve also always liked the term “foul matter,” referring to anything (like a manuscript revision, or a proof) that has been superseded by a newer version and shouldn’t be in use anymore.

]]> By: Ron McCutchan http://www.hbook.com/2012/03/blogs/out-of-the-box/get-your-mind-out-of-the-gutter/#comment-15325 Ron McCutchan Wed, 04 Apr 2012 17:32:54 +0000 http://www.hbook.com/?p=11065#comment-15325 Somewhere in my design past, there was a great printing terms poster that applied many of these to Boticelli's "Birth of Venus"--I remember "trim" referred to leg hair stubble that was photoshopped in and "bleed" was a knick on her arm. For a real challenge, when I was at CRICKET, we always got into endless discussions about the etymology (or even the exact definition) of a "blad." Is it simply an unbound signature or a specially produced and bound promo signature? Is it from the German for "leaf"? an acronym for "Basic Layout And Design"? I realize that blad doesn't have a salacious secondary meaning. And, Roger, isn't the Best Boy the assistant electrician on a film? Somewhere in my design past, there was a great printing terms poster that applied many of these to Boticelli’s “Birth of Venus”–I remember “trim” referred to leg hair stubble that was photoshopped in and “bleed” was a knick on her arm.

For a real challenge, when I was at CRICKET, we always got into endless discussions about the etymology (or even the exact definition) of a “blad.” Is it simply an unbound signature or a specially produced and bound promo signature? Is it from the German for “leaf”? an acronym for “Basic Layout And Design”? I realize that blad doesn’t have a salacious secondary meaning. And, Roger, isn’t the Best Boy the assistant electrician on a film?

]]> By: Lolly Robinson http://www.hbook.com/2012/03/blogs/out-of-the-box/get-your-mind-out-of-the-gutter/#comment-15183 Lolly Robinson Thu, 22 Mar 2012 21:18:07 +0000 http://www.hbook.com/?p=11065#comment-15183 Okay, I'm impressed. Some of your definitions aren't quite the ones I know, but I'd say they are close enough. For example, I'd say stripping isn't about paper but about plastic and film. Before plates were made directly from digital files, a negative for each page (or four sets of negs if it was four color) had to be taped together in the correct imposition and also taped to red plastic which masked out light the same as the dark part of the negative. The person who did this painstaking work was known as the stripper. And I happen to know that Lenore (comment above) was once a stripper herself. (Not anymore. She now owns the company that prints the Horn Book posters we give away at conferences.) "Butt fit" is one that I've only seen in writing, never heard used in real life. It's along the same lines as "choking and trapping" -- which I should have used on the list! -- in that it's about two colors side by side that are meant to meet up (butt up) on the printed page. A butt fit makes the halftone dots from one color just overlap (by one row of dots) the halftone dots of the second color. The reason for the slight overlap is because registration slip-ups can happen, and when they do you don't want any white space showing between those two colors. Lenore has "hot spot" right but I have also heard a press operator use this for a spot where there are no halftone dots -- where the image has an area that is 0% black, therefore has no dots. This makes the paper show through and look hot or too bright. The ideal is for there to be some tiny dots on the lightest part, and tiny dots of paper showing through on the darkest part. For more definitions, I refer you to this handy website: http://www.printindustry.com/Glossary.aspx Okay, I’m impressed. Some of your definitions aren’t quite the ones I know, but I’d say they are close enough.

For example, I’d say stripping isn’t about paper but about plastic and film. Before plates were made directly from digital files, a negative for each page (or four sets of negs if it was four color) had to be taped together in the correct imposition and also taped to red plastic which masked out light the same as the dark part of the negative. The person who did this painstaking work was known as the stripper. And I happen to know that Lenore (comment above) was once a stripper herself. (Not anymore. She now owns the company that prints the Horn Book posters we give away at conferences.)

“Butt fit” is one that I’ve only seen in writing, never heard used in real life. It’s along the same lines as “choking and trapping” — which I should have used on the list! — in that it’s about two colors side by side that are meant to meet up (butt up) on the printed page. A butt fit makes the halftone dots from one color just overlap (by one row of dots) the halftone dots of the second color. The reason for the slight overlap is because registration slip-ups can happen, and when they do you don’t want any white space showing between those two colors.

Lenore has “hot spot” right but I have also heard a press operator use this for a spot where there are no halftone dots — where the image has an area that is 0% black, therefore has no dots. This makes the paper show through and look hot or too bright. The ideal is for there to be some tiny dots on the lightest part, and tiny dots of paper showing through on the darkest part.

For more definitions, I refer you to this handy website: http://www.printindustry.com/Glossary.aspx

]]> By: Lenore http://www.hbook.com/2012/03/blogs/out-of-the-box/get-your-mind-out-of-the-gutter/#comment-15182 Lenore Thu, 22 Mar 2012 20:53:50 +0000 http://www.hbook.com/?p=11065#comment-15182 Looks like you have all the answers except for hot spot. Hot spot is another word from when printing was film based. On occasion if a piece of dust or dirt was caught under the film it would cause a dark heavy spot to print on the sheet. Not sure what butt fit is???? that must be even older than me!! ha ha! Looks like you have all the answers except for hot spot. Hot spot is another word from when printing was film based. On occasion if a piece of dust or dirt was caught under the film it would cause a dark heavy spot to print on the sheet.
Not sure what butt fit is???? that must be even older than me!! ha ha!

]]> By: Liane Behrens http://www.hbook.com/2012/03/blogs/out-of-the-box/get-your-mind-out-of-the-gutter/#comment-15178 Liane Behrens Thu, 22 Mar 2012 17:31:25 +0000 http://www.hbook.com/?p=11065#comment-15178 As the design intern at the Horn Book this semester, I guess I better at least try to weigh in... Bleed - Art extending to the edge of the page -- and usually .125" off of it, for the printer. PMS - Pantone matching system Dummy - Mock-up of a project Creep - When content on the pages has to be shifted because of encroaching margin; especially in the inner pages of a bound volume! Gutter - The space between two columns of text; also maybe the inner margin? Not sure about the others! As the design intern at the Horn Book this semester, I guess I better at least try to weigh in…

Bleed – Art extending to the edge of the page — and usually .125″ off of it, for the printer.
PMS – Pantone matching system
Dummy – Mock-up of a project
Creep – When content on the pages has to be shifted because of encroaching margin; especially in the inner pages of a bound volume!
Gutter – The space between two columns of text; also maybe the inner margin?

Not sure about the others!

]]> By: Constantina Kalimeris http://www.hbook.com/2012/03/blogs/out-of-the-box/get-your-mind-out-of-the-gutter/#comment-15175 Constantina Kalimeris Thu, 22 Mar 2012 14:24:31 +0000 http://www.hbook.com/?p=11065#comment-15175 Thanks Roger...didn't know that term...in any case both names sound funny and don't reflect the actual task...(this was fun) Thanks Roger…didn’t know that term…in any case both names sound funny and don’t reflect the actual task…(this was fun)

]]> By: Lolly Robinson http://www.hbook.com/2012/03/blogs/out-of-the-box/get-your-mind-out-of-the-gutter/#comment-15174 Lolly Robinson Thu, 22 Mar 2012 14:20:02 +0000 http://www.hbook.com/?p=11065#comment-15174 I've always wondered what that is. Someone told me once, but it was years ago. I know it's for movies, and maybe something to do with audio? Or moving set pieces? Tell us! I’ve always wondered what that is. Someone told me once, but it was years ago. I know it’s for movies, and maybe something to do with audio? Or moving set pieces? Tell us!

]]> By: Roger Sutton http://www.hbook.com/2012/03/blogs/out-of-the-box/get-your-mind-out-of-the-gutter/#comment-15171 Roger Sutton Thu, 22 Mar 2012 14:05:23 +0000 http://www.hbook.com/?p=11065#comment-15171 You say stripper; i say Best Boy. You say stripper; i say Best Boy.

]]> By: Constantina Kalimeris http://www.hbook.com/2012/03/blogs/out-of-the-box/get-your-mind-out-of-the-gutter/#comment-15167 Constantina Kalimeris Thu, 22 Mar 2012 01:33:01 +0000 http://www.hbook.com/?p=11065#comment-15167 Hi folks Here's my shot at this for what I haven't see answered...PMS-Pantone Matching System / Creep I think refers to the pages that stick out when folded for binding/ A stripper is the technician who prepares the color separations- in the old days it was done on separate "strips" of paper frames holding the film (that's how old I am) / the gutter is the space near the books fold where you don't want important stuff to be printed / I don't know what a "kiss" die cut is but a die cut is a custom cut on the edge of paper say for shapes in a pop-up book- a brass or metal die plate is produced based on design to cut every copy precisely...look forward to seeing the rest of the answers! Hi folks
Here’s my shot at this for what I haven’t see answered…PMS-Pantone Matching System / Creep I think refers to the pages that stick out when folded for binding/ A stripper is the technician who prepares the color separations- in the old days it was done on separate “strips” of paper frames holding the film (that’s how old I am) / the gutter is the space near the books fold where you don’t want important stuff to be printed / I don’t know what a “kiss” die cut is but a die cut is a custom cut on the edge of paper say for shapes in a pop-up book- a brass or metal die plate is produced based on design to cut every copy precisely…look forward to seeing the rest of the answers!

]]> By: Lolly Robinson http://www.hbook.com/2012/03/blogs/out-of-the-box/get-your-mind-out-of-the-gutter/#comment-15166 Lolly Robinson Wed, 21 Mar 2012 21:48:45 +0000 http://www.hbook.com/?p=11065#comment-15166 GOOD! GOOD!

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